I get your overall argument, but...

by Greg, seemingly ranch, Friday, February 03, 2012, 13:21 (5240 days ago) @ irishoutsider

Your examples are flawed.

Execution puts you on a fairly even playing field vs raw talent. Boise State, TCU, OSU, Stanford, Oregon in recent years are what I'm basing this on.

Kellen Moore, Andy Dalton, Brandon Weedon, and Andrew Luck are pretty much "superstar" QBs in terms of their collegiate abilities. Yes, each fit very well into the program he was asked to run, maybe so much so that the program made the QB as much as the QB made the program (except luck). Or maybe it was a synergy of talented QB and program tailored to that QB's talent. But in all cases except Oregon, it has yet to be shown that the team can keep up the same level of success in the years after the QB leaves. Yes, TCU beat Boise this year; they also had some bad losses. It will be interesting to watch each of these schools and to see what they do as they move on without their QB.

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A hypothesis re: Stanford - irishoutsider, 2012-02-03, 10:42
- I'm probably wrong about this... - DCT, 2012-02-03, 11:37
  - I think there's two models for success right now - HumanRobot, 2012-02-03, 11:40
    - question - bpeters07, 2012-02-03, 11:54
      - I'm arguing for a system category - irishoutsider, 2012-02-03, 13:16
        
        I get your overall argument, but... - Greg, 2012-02-03, 13:21
        
        Let me rephrase - irishoutsider, 2012-02-03, 13:30
        
        Gotcha - Greg, 2012-02-03, 13:34
      - that's a very good counter-example - HumanRobot, 2012-02-03, 12:36
        
        not a bad model to follow. - bpeters07, 2012-02-03, 12:52
  - Take out the word "college" - Greg, 2012-02-03, 11:39
- aren't we overreading Stanford's success just a bit? - HumanRobot, 2012-02-03, 11:21
  - Sure, but since Harbaugh left - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2012-02-03, 11:29
    - into one good recruing class - HumanRobot, 2012-02-03, 11:33
  - In terms of being a one (OK, two)-hit wonder, yeah. But, - BillyGoat, 2012-02-03, 11:25
    - what you say is certainly possible - HumanRobot, 2012-02-03, 11:35
      - Harbaugh deserves most of the credit - BPH, 2012-02-03, 11:45
        
        And it took time - Jim (fisherj08), 2012-02-03, 11:47
        
        True - BPH, 2012-02-03, 11:50
        
        And it will taper without Luck and the two OL going into the - BillyGoat, 2012-02-03, 11:46
        
        they won't go into the toilet - HumanRobot, 2012-02-03, 11:48
        
        That when you have institutional disadvantages... - BPH, 2012-02-03, 11:55
- The window at ND is ridiculously, painfully, small. - FunkDoctorSpock, 2012-02-03, 11:20
  - You touched on what I think is the key to rebuilding ND - Greg, 2012-02-03, 13:16
    - One nit - CK08, 2012-02-03, 13:26
      - We should think twice before we dismiss Chan Gaileydom - irishoutsider, 2012-02-03, 13:33
      - OK. But... - Greg, 2012-02-03, 13:32
        
        I guess I wasn't really thinking about a 10 year period - CK08, 2012-02-03, 13:48
  - Very nice words - CW (Rakes), 2012-02-03, 13:13
  - Enabler. You're part of the problem - hobbs, 2012-02-03, 11:53
  - Going to replace my generic "excellent post" - CK08, 2012-02-03, 11:38
  - well said - bpeters07, 2012-02-03, 11:36
  - Very good post. I'll cosign all of that. - BillyGoat, 2012-02-03, 11:22

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I get your overall argument, but...