If a murderer rolled into my restaurant, I'd call the police
unless said murder were improbably out on parole for managing not to shiv anyone in the pokey. Then "debt paid to society," and all that. I'd smile, take his order, and be sure never to present my back.
If you believe your ethical duties and your legal duties lie in perfect confluence, then we're not going to be able to have much of a conversation here. From where I stand, a person may have a legal right to be an asshole to others without it being right or just.
If you own a restaurant, you've hung up a shingle that says you'll welcome the stranger and feed the hungry and earn your livelihood from the quality of that work. Picking and choosing who qualifies for your hospitality is a dick move betraying your very purpose for being as an ongoing project.
Again, how are we better as society if we divvy up who we treat with respect publicly based on political similarity and difference, including professional services? You really want a world in which you bring in your Audi with a Bush Cheney bumper sticker, and I, your mechanic, refuse to do the work because you support those murderous bastages? Or you're the surgeon getting ready for my third open heart bypass. You're ready to go down the established zipper line when you see I have 'I'm With Her' and a big photop smiling HRC tattooed across my chest. You insist I find another surgeon because I clearly support a murderer.
People in a healthy society would readily see such a state of affairs as pathetic and wretched, but because we're talking about Donald Trump and his minions, people go off their nut and pat themselves on the back for how woke they are (see OP). Trump winning.
Complete thread:
- A good article on "civility" - at least to me. -
oviedoirish,
2018-06-26, 08:22
- This is some serious egotistical bullshit. -
OGerry,
2018-06-26, 10:25
- I don't think we should encourage people to shout at -
Joe,
2018-06-26, 18:03
- Then get out of the hospitality business. -
OGerry,
2018-06-26, 18:33
- I don't know. -
Joe,
2018-06-26, 20:30
- If a murderer rolled into my restaurant, I'd call the police -
OGerry,
2018-06-27, 06:14
- FWIW, every restaurant I see hangs a sign -
Joe I,
2018-06-27, 09:21
- I presume and hope - OGerry, 2018-06-27, 14:46
- FWIW, every restaurant I see hangs a sign -
Joe I,
2018-06-27, 09:21
- If a murderer rolled into my restaurant, I'd call the police -
OGerry,
2018-06-27, 06:14
- I don't know. -
Joe,
2018-06-26, 20:30
- Then get out of the hospitality business. -
OGerry,
2018-06-26, 18:33
- I imagine you are not one of those abortion opponents -
Mike (bart),
2018-06-26, 10:38
- It's a hypothetical to me, because I don't do that. -
OGerry,
2018-06-26, 11:03
- I'm less assured of my own personal norm than before -
Mike (bart),
2018-06-26, 11:17
- Fair enough. - OGerry, 2018-06-26, 14:12
- I'm less assured of my own personal norm than before -
Mike (bart),
2018-06-26, 11:17
- It's a hypothetical to me, because I don't do that. -
OGerry,
2018-06-26, 11:03
- I don't think we should encourage people to shout at -
Joe,
2018-06-26, 18:03
- The structural part really is key. - Publicola, 2018-06-26, 09:32
- Great Article but one sentence made me a little pause: - Grantland, 2018-06-26, 09:29
- Two Elie Wiesel quotes that I think are important to follow: - oviedoirish, 2018-06-26, 09:16
- Very sad and very true -
Jack,
2018-06-26, 09:01
- He’ll find someone else to blame for the economic problems -
Jeff (BGS),
2018-06-26, 09:29
- Harley's employees already have. - domer.mq, 2018-06-28, 05:42
- His base isn't big enough to get him elected dog catcher -
Jack,
2018-06-26, 09:36
- Many of those Obama-Trump voters -
CK08,
2018-06-26, 12:21
- Exactly. People voted for him because they felt left out -
Jack,
2018-06-26, 12:33
- Your second sentence is key - CK08, 2018-06-26, 13:04
- I agree. Especially since Harley Davidson seems to me -
BillyGoat,
2018-06-26, 12:31
- I suspect they're the first of many - Jack, 2018-06-26, 12:58
- Exactly. People voted for him because they felt left out -
Jack,
2018-06-26, 12:33
- I don't think you appreciate the basis of Trump's appeal. -
MattG,
2018-06-26, 10:06
- I don't think that is true. - Bill, 2018-06-26, 14:22
- I appreciate the basis just fine - Jack, 2018-06-26, 12:28
- I think youre ignoring a large group of people -
DEM,
2018-06-26, 11:31
- I can't see that as a huge demographic. -
MattG,
2018-06-26, 11:48
- I think its larger than you think -
DEM,
2018-06-26, 12:06
- Do you really think Hillary was uniquely inept? -
Grantland,
2018-06-26, 12:27
- Got it. Trump supporters are all racists -
DEM,
2018-06-26, 12:52
- Nah. There's just a positive correlation.
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Joe,
2018-06-26, 20:31
- I do not necessarily think if you voted for trump you are - Grantland, 2018-06-26, 13:03
- Really hard to see how well a campaign allocates resources -
Mike (bart),
2018-06-26, 12:58
- The Beer test seems silly -
DEM,
2018-06-26, 13:06
- Didn't work for Aaron Burr, but it got him close... - BillyGoat, 2018-06-26, 13:38
- The Beer test seems silly -
DEM,
2018-06-26, 13:06
- They put the opponent's name in their slogan. - domer.mq, 2018-06-26, 12:54
- Nah. There's just a positive correlation.
- She was monster-ized for 10 years before 2016. - domer.mq, 2018-06-26, 12:50
- She is a very able person who ran an inept campaign -
Jack,
2018-06-26, 12:45
- I thought she was in trouble in August -
HumanRobot,
2018-06-26, 13:25
- I remember texting some TPG posters during the debates. - MattG, 2018-06-26, 13:32
- Her ground game in Michigan was a mess -
CK08,
2018-06-26, 13:07
- Reportedly was in Florida also - Jack, 2018-06-26, 14:34
- A friend's daughter was a decently high level volunteer - BillyGoat, 2018-06-26, 13:37
- I thought she was in trouble in August -
HumanRobot,
2018-06-26, 13:25
- Hilary's resume is great. But I think she's a lousy -
BillyGoat,
2018-06-26, 12:31
- Agree with that, a uniquely inept campaign.
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Grantland,
2018-06-26, 12:48
- Agree with that, a uniquely inept campaign.
- Got it. Trump supporters are all racists -
DEM,
2018-06-26, 12:52
- Speaking as someone for whom 'save the immigrants..." -
domer.mq,
2018-06-26, 12:14
- Im not defending Trump -
DEM,
2018-06-26, 12:19
- Right. I agree. -
domer.mq,
2018-06-26, 12:29
- angry old white dudes... - HumanRobot, 2018-06-26, 13:30
- Right. I agree. -
domer.mq,
2018-06-26, 12:29
- Im not defending Trump -
DEM,
2018-06-26, 12:19
- Do you really think Hillary was uniquely inept? -
Grantland,
2018-06-26, 12:27
- I think its larger than you think -
DEM,
2018-06-26, 12:06
- I would make a distinction between those who voted for Trump - Mike (bart), 2018-06-26, 11:44
- I can't see that as a huge demographic. -
MattG,
2018-06-26, 11:48
- I think there's another segment, too. -
ReginaldVelJohnson,
2018-06-26, 10:35
- That Venn diagram is a perfect circle. - MattG, 2018-06-26, 10:41
- Agreed. - domer.mq, 2018-06-26, 10:22
- He's outrageously popular among Republicans still -
Jim (fisherj08),
2018-06-26, 10:13
- The Republicans aren't the majority of the country! -
Jack,
2018-06-26, 12:36
- Yep. The youngsters had to learn that you don't always - BillyGoat, 2018-06-26, 13:41
- Trump and Romney both got 3% of the vote in Detroit - CK08, 2018-06-26, 13:10
- If they do stay home, then I give up.
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oviedoirish,
2018-06-26, 12:48
- Some of them are voter-suppressed - CK08, 2018-06-26, 13:08
- Yep. But I don't think they will -
Jack,
2018-06-26, 12:52
- I agree. - oviedoirish, 2018-06-26, 12:56
- The Republicans aren't the majority of the country! -
Jack,
2018-06-26, 12:36
- there's a sunk cost effect that's potentially unsettling - Mike (bart), 2018-06-26, 09:58
- Many of those Obama-Trump voters -
CK08,
2018-06-26, 12:21
- there's no real great historical comp for this situation -
Mike (bart),
2018-06-26, 09:10
- That's a great question - Jack, 2018-06-26, 09:29
- He’ll find someone else to blame for the economic problems -
Jeff (BGS),
2018-06-26, 09:29
- This is utterly dead on
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Mike (bart),
2018-06-26, 08:44
- Are we there yet? -
Bryan (IrishCavan),
2018-06-26, 08:32
- We are categorically closer, that's for sure - Mike (bart), 2018-06-26, 08:51
- It sure seems like it.
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oviedoirish,
2018-06-26, 08:37
- Sums up my feelings quite well.
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ReginaldVelJohnson,
2018-06-26, 08:26
- This is some serious egotistical bullshit. -
OGerry,
2018-06-26, 10:25