Yep. But I don't think they will
by Jack 
, Tuesday, June 26, 2018, 12:52 (2839 days ago) @ oviedoirish
edited by Jack, Tuesday, June 26, 2018, 12:56
There are a lot of people out there who are sorry they didn't vote and won't make the same mistake again. There are polls of voter enthusiasm that are a complete flip of the last time. People who are worried that there will be a backlash and it will fire up the Trump base to vote, well, they did vote the last time, and again, Trump barely won.
It drives me nuts when people assume he'll win because he's the incumbent. That's complete nonsense. Three incumbent presidents in my lifetime have been defeated and a fourth would have been had he not ended his campaign. Every president is different and every presidential campaign is different.
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- A good article on "civility" - at least to me. -
oviedoirish,
2018-06-26, 08:22
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- This is some serious egotistical bullshit. -
OGerry,
2018-06-26, 10:25
- I don't think we should encourage people to shout at -
Joe,
2018-06-26, 18:03
- Then get out of the hospitality business. -
OGerry,
2018-06-26, 18:33
- I don't know. -
Joe,
2018-06-26, 20:30
- If a murderer rolled into my restaurant, I'd call the police -
OGerry,
2018-06-27, 06:14
- FWIW, every restaurant I see hangs a sign -
Joe I,
2018-06-27, 09:21
- I presume and hope - OGerry, 2018-06-27, 14:46
- FWIW, every restaurant I see hangs a sign -
Joe I,
2018-06-27, 09:21
- If a murderer rolled into my restaurant, I'd call the police -
OGerry,
2018-06-27, 06:14
- I don't know. -
Joe,
2018-06-26, 20:30
- Then get out of the hospitality business. -
OGerry,
2018-06-26, 18:33
- I imagine you are not one of those abortion opponents -
Mike (bart),
2018-06-26, 10:38
- It's a hypothetical to me, because I don't do that. -
OGerry,
2018-06-26, 11:03
- I'm less assured of my own personal norm than before -
Mike (bart),
2018-06-26, 11:17
- Fair enough. - OGerry, 2018-06-26, 14:12
- I'm less assured of my own personal norm than before -
Mike (bart),
2018-06-26, 11:17
- It's a hypothetical to me, because I don't do that. -
OGerry,
2018-06-26, 11:03
- I don't think we should encourage people to shout at -
Joe,
2018-06-26, 18:03
- The structural part really is key. - Publicola, 2018-06-26, 09:32
- Great Article but one sentence made me a little pause: - Grantland, 2018-06-26, 09:29
- Two Elie Wiesel quotes that I think are important to follow: - oviedoirish, 2018-06-26, 09:16
- Very sad and very true -
Jack,
2018-06-26, 09:01
- He’ll find someone else to blame for the economic problems -
Jeff (BGS),
2018-06-26, 09:29
- Harley's employees already have. - domer.mq, 2018-06-28, 05:42
- His base isn't big enough to get him elected dog catcher -
Jack,
2018-06-26, 09:36
- Many of those Obama-Trump voters -
CK08,
2018-06-26, 12:21
- Exactly. People voted for him because they felt left out -
Jack,
2018-06-26, 12:33
- Your second sentence is key - CK08, 2018-06-26, 13:04
- I agree. Especially since Harley Davidson seems to me -
BillyGoat,
2018-06-26, 12:31
- I suspect they're the first of many - Jack, 2018-06-26, 12:58
- Exactly. People voted for him because they felt left out -
Jack,
2018-06-26, 12:33
- I don't think you appreciate the basis of Trump's appeal. -
MattG,
2018-06-26, 10:06
- I don't think that is true. - Bill, 2018-06-26, 14:22
- I appreciate the basis just fine - Jack, 2018-06-26, 12:28
- I think youre ignoring a large group of people -
DEM,
2018-06-26, 11:31
- I can't see that as a huge demographic. -
MattG,
2018-06-26, 11:48
- I think its larger than you think -
DEM,
2018-06-26, 12:06
- Do you really think Hillary was uniquely inept? -
Grantland,
2018-06-26, 12:27
- Got it. Trump supporters are all racists -
DEM,
2018-06-26, 12:52
- Nah. There's just a positive correlation.
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Joe,
2018-06-26, 20:31
- I do not necessarily think if you voted for trump you are - Grantland, 2018-06-26, 13:03
- Really hard to see how well a campaign allocates resources -
Mike (bart),
2018-06-26, 12:58
- The Beer test seems silly -
DEM,
2018-06-26, 13:06
- Didn't work for Aaron Burr, but it got him close... - BillyGoat, 2018-06-26, 13:38
- The Beer test seems silly -
DEM,
2018-06-26, 13:06
- They put the opponent's name in their slogan. - domer.mq, 2018-06-26, 12:54
- Nah. There's just a positive correlation.
- She was monster-ized for 10 years before 2016. - domer.mq, 2018-06-26, 12:50
- She is a very able person who ran an inept campaign -
Jack,
2018-06-26, 12:45
- I thought she was in trouble in August -
HumanRobot,
2018-06-26, 13:25
- I remember texting some TPG posters during the debates. - MattG, 2018-06-26, 13:32
- Her ground game in Michigan was a mess -
CK08,
2018-06-26, 13:07
- Reportedly was in Florida also - Jack, 2018-06-26, 14:34
- A friend's daughter was a decently high level volunteer - BillyGoat, 2018-06-26, 13:37
- I thought she was in trouble in August -
HumanRobot,
2018-06-26, 13:25
- Hilary's resume is great. But I think she's a lousy -
BillyGoat,
2018-06-26, 12:31
- Agree with that, a uniquely inept campaign. -
Grantland,
2018-06-26, 12:48
- Agree with that, a uniquely inept campaign.
- Got it. Trump supporters are all racists -
DEM,
2018-06-26, 12:52
- Speaking as someone for whom 'save the immigrants..." -
domer.mq,
2018-06-26, 12:14
- Im not defending Trump -
DEM,
2018-06-26, 12:19
- Right. I agree. -
domer.mq,
2018-06-26, 12:29
- angry old white dudes... - HumanRobot, 2018-06-26, 13:30
- Right. I agree. -
domer.mq,
2018-06-26, 12:29
- Im not defending Trump -
DEM,
2018-06-26, 12:19
- Do you really think Hillary was uniquely inept? -
Grantland,
2018-06-26, 12:27
- I think its larger than you think -
DEM,
2018-06-26, 12:06
- I would make a distinction between those who voted for Trump - Mike (bart), 2018-06-26, 11:44
- I can't see that as a huge demographic. -
MattG,
2018-06-26, 11:48
- I think there's another segment, too. -
ReginaldVelJohnson,
2018-06-26, 10:35
- That Venn diagram is a perfect circle. - MattG, 2018-06-26, 10:41
- Agreed. - domer.mq, 2018-06-26, 10:22
- He's outrageously popular among Republicans still -
Jim (fisherj08),
2018-06-26, 10:13
- The Republicans aren't the majority of the country! -
Jack,
2018-06-26, 12:36
- Yep. The youngsters had to learn that you don't always - BillyGoat, 2018-06-26, 13:41
- Trump and Romney both got 3% of the vote in Detroit - CK08, 2018-06-26, 13:10
- If they do stay home, then I give up. -
oviedoirish,
2018-06-26, 12:48
- Some of them are voter-suppressed - CK08, 2018-06-26, 13:08
- Yep. But I don't think they will -
Jack,
2018-06-26, 12:52
- I agree. - oviedoirish, 2018-06-26, 12:56
- The Republicans aren't the majority of the country! -
Jack,
2018-06-26, 12:36
- there's a sunk cost effect that's potentially unsettling - Mike (bart), 2018-06-26, 09:58
- Many of those Obama-Trump voters -
CK08,
2018-06-26, 12:21
- there's no real great historical comp for this situation -
Mike (bart),
2018-06-26, 09:10
- That's a great question - Jack, 2018-06-26, 09:29
- He’ll find someone else to blame for the economic problems -
Jeff (BGS),
2018-06-26, 09:29
- This is utterly dead on -
Mike (bart),
2018-06-26, 08:44
- Are we there yet? -
Bryan (IrishCavan),
2018-06-26, 08:32
- We are categorically closer, that's for sure - Mike (bart), 2018-06-26, 08:51
- It sure seems like it. -
oviedoirish,
2018-06-26, 08:37
- Sums up my feelings quite well. -
ReginaldVelJohnson,
2018-06-26, 08:26
- This is some serious egotistical bullshit. -
OGerry,
2018-06-26, 10:25