Oh boy!
by Bryan (IrishCavan), Howth Castle and Environs, Tuesday, April 07, 2026, 07:14 (51 days ago)
He's a goddamned loon.
Pentagon bullying the Vatican
by Jay, San Diego, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 11:09 (50 days ago) @ Bryan (IrishCavan)
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-official-gives-vatican-bitter-lecture-amid-growing-...
Trump Goon Gives Vatican ‘Bitter Lecture’ Amid Growing Rift
Pentagon brass reportedly pressured the Vatican to get on board with President Trump’s warmongering.
Updated Apr. 8 2026 1:51PM EDT Published Apr. 8 2026 12:18PM EDT
A top Vatican diplomat was summoned to the Pentagon for a “bitter lecture” about supporting President Donald Trump’s warmongering, a new report alleges.
Vatican officials briefed on the meeting told The Free Press (https://www.thefp.com/p/why-the-vatican-and-the-white-house) that the Pentagon warned Cardinal Christophe Pierre in January that the United States has the military power to do “whatever it wants” and that Pope Leo, the first American-born pontiff, “better take its side.”
The site writes that “as tensions escalated,” one U.S. official “went so far as to invoke the Avignon Papacy, the period in the 1300s when the French Crown leveraged its military power to dominate the papal authority.”
U.S. Under Secretary of Defense Elbridge Colby, 46, reportedly summoned a top Vatican diplomat to a meeting at the Pentagon. Tom Nicholson/REUTERS
Pierre was reportedly summoned to the meeting by Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Elbridge Colby, a Catholic (https://www.ncregister.com/interview/catholic-strategist-elbridge-colby?amp) who served in the first Trump administration and was nominated by Trump to his current role. Such a meeting between Pentagon officials and the Vatican is believed to be unprecedented.
The Free Press writes that Pentagon brass “picked apart the pontiff’s January speech,” referring to his inaugural State of the World Address. They reportedly took issue with a passage in which Leo challenged Trump’s so-called Donroe Doctrine, saying, “A diplomacy that promotes dialogue and seeks consensus among all parties is being replaced by a diplomacy based on force, by either individuals or groups of allies.”
The bombshell revelation comes as Leo has publicly criticized Trump and his Catholic acolytes—first for their deadly, inhumane migrant crackdown, and most recently for the president’s threat on Tuesday morning to annihilate all of Iran.
Vice President JD Vance, a Catholic convert, has traveled to meet Pope Leo, but the American-born pontiff has yet to travel to the United States since his May 8, 2025, election. Vatican Media/Vatican Pool - Corbis/Getty Images
Leo’s relationship with the Trump administration soured quickly after he was elected on May 8, writes the Rome-based journalist Mattia Ferraresi. The White House invited Leo to return home and celebrate America’s 250th birthday at the White House this summer, but he declined.
Ferraresi writes that the Holy See considered the invitation but decided not to make the trip over a “mix of foreign policy disagreements, the increasingly vocal opposition of U.S. bishops to Trump’s immigration policy, and a reluctance to become a political bargaining chip in the 2026 midterms.”
Leo is yet to travel stateside since his election and has no public plans to do so. He will instead spend July 4, 2026, on the Mediterranean island of Lampedusa—a stopping point for African refugees hoping to reach Europe.
The Chicago-born Pope Leo, 70, will spend America’s 250th birthday on a Mediterranean island, far from celebrations at and around the White House. Yara Nardi/REUTERS
One Vatican official told The Free Press, “The Pope may well never visit the United States under this administration.”
The White House did not respond to a request for comment. A spokesperson for the Defense Department said the Pentagon meeting with Pierre was “respectful and reasonable.”
“The Free Press’s characterization of the meeting is highly exaggerated and distorted,” the spokesperson said. “The meeting between Pentagon and Vatican officials was a respectful and reasonable discussion. We have nothing but the highest regard, and welcome continued dialogue with the Holy See.”
Leo, 70, has not called out Trump by name regarding his war with Iran, but has made clear his criticism is directed at the Oval Office.
“Jesus is the King of Peace, who rejects war, whom no one can use to justify war,” Leo said in a Palm Sunday address on March 29, a week-and-a-half before a ceasefire was reached. “He does not listen to the prayers of those who wage war, but rejects them.”
Even prominent conservatives called out President Donald Trump’s truly insane threat to Iran on Tuesday morning. Donald Trump/Truth Social
Leo’s criticism of Trump became more pointed after the president issued a deranged threat to Iran in a Truth Social post on Tuesday, writing, “A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don’t want that to happen, but it probably will.”
The pope, calling the war with Iran “unjust,” said later that afternoon, “Today, as we all know, there was this threat against all the people of Iran. This is truly unacceptable.”
Leo went on to point out the harm being caused by Trump’s war, which he said is “not resolving anything.”
“In fact, we have a worldwide economic crisis, energy crisis, situation in the Middle East of great instability, which is only provoking more hatred throughout the world.”
Coincidence? HA!:
by Grantland, y'allywood, Thursday, April 09, 2026, 04:42 (49 days ago) @ Jay
"Leo is yet to travel stateside since his election and has no public plans to do so. He will instead spend July 4, 2026, on the Mediterranean island of Lampedusa—a stopping point for African refugees hoping to reach Europe."
Imagine the reaction if a Democratic administration did this
by San Pedro
, More than 100 feet from Bob Davies, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 16:40 (50 days ago) @ Jay
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This totally tracks.
by Joe I
, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 12:15 (50 days ago) @ Jay
And it’s pretty sickening.
enlightening read on how Netanyahu talked him into it
by Jay, San Diego, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 08:55 (50 days ago) @ Bryan (IrishCavan)
Pretty deep reporting from the NYT (Haberman & Swan).
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/us/politics/trump-iran-war.html?unlocked_article_cod...
Obviously talked to somebody (or multiple people) who were in the room where it happened.
None of this is remotely surprising.
by KGB, Belly o. the Beast, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 10:23 (50 days ago) @ Jay
edited by KGB, Thursday, April 09, 2026, 15:05
Netanyahu (a vampire's name) has been trying to drag the US into attacking Iran practically since the day he assumed power. And he finally found a small-p president shit-stupid enough to take the bait and do the heavy lifting. So Israel dogwalks Trump with their own intelligence and a 'limited time only!' kicker, and no one else in the room has enough of a backbone to counter with the obvious reasons why it would be a terrible idea (save the military rep, who will merely offer advice).
Even if the bullshit about Vance were true (spoiler: CMON), he'd never get to take advantage politically, anyway.
Reporter: Is it true that you disagreed with Your Big Daddy's decision to attack Iran?
Vance: Well...um
He's not ever going to take credit for going against the Greasy Pork Sandwich as long as it is alive and within earshot. Not in a million years.
I will bet that Vance and Rubio will take credit
by oviedoirish
, Oviedo, Florida, Thursday, April 09, 2026, 07:06 (49 days ago) @ KGB
for being against attacking Iran when they are vying for the next presdiential nomination.
Bet taken.
by KGB, Belly o. the Beast, Thursday, April 09, 2026, 08:11 (49 days ago) @ oviedoirish
They will almost certainly both be groveling for Trump's endorsement.
Rubio and Vance honestly come out of this looking the worst.
by ReginaldVelJohnson
, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 19:29 (50 days ago) @ KGB
edited by ReginaldVelJohnson, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 19:34
At least IMO. Trump is an incurious clown that's easily manipulated. We knew that, and not sure it could get any worse. Not surprising some of the others are just unqualified and got put their to be rubber stamp.
But Rubio and Vance are intelligent enough to know better (and clearly do based on this account), but they're too interested in riding the grift train to actually stand on principle.
But yeah. Nothing about this account is at all surprising it plays out in all facets exactly as people predicted.
How in the world can they not figure out who the insider is?
by Grantland, y'allywood, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 09:27 (50 days ago) @ Jay
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Seriously. It's gotta be even less subtle than Merry and
by BillyGoat
, At Thanksgiving with Joe Bethersontin, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 09:34 (50 days ago) @ Grantland
Pippin hiding in the bushes at the Council of Elrond.
The article states "multiple sources", so the real question
by Joe I
, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 09:31 (50 days ago) @ Grantland
is who was the source for the first meeting and / or the additional source in "multiple"?
absolutely
by Jay, San Diego, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 15:19 (50 days ago) @ Joe I
I'm sure Maggie still has a back channel to his cell phone.
One of the leakers is always Trump, right?
by nedhead
, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 15:19 (50 days ago) @ Joe I
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yeah, in that first Netanyahu meeting
by Jay, San Diego, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 09:37 (50 days ago) @ Joe I
Since Vance wasn't there, I could see Wiles blabbing (she already proved herself a leaker via Vanity Fair), but also, who comes off the best? Rubio and Ratcliffe.
It’s obviously Rubio
by MattG, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 12:02 (50 days ago) @ Jay
Other guys were using big words like “farcical” to describe the likelihood of a Kurdish overthrow of the Iranian government. and then the camera whipped into the corner of the room where Marco Rubio sat with his feet up on the conference table, effortlessly flipping a silver dollar. Rubio looked the president dead in the eyes. “It’s all fucking bullshit if you ask me”, he said. He fired up a heater. “I can smoke in here, right?”
Then he clomped out of the room
by KGB, Belly o. the Beast, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 12:15 (50 days ago) @ MattG
in the shiny Florsheim wingtips Trump had ordered for him which were at least 3 sizes too large.
Very worthwhile read… somebody in the Vance camp doing some
by atxND, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 09:21 (50 days ago) @ Jay
serious PR work in there…
Meanwhile, plenty more election results
by BPH, San Diego, Tuesday, April 07, 2026, 20:00 (51 days ago) @ Bryan (IrishCavan)
to inject into my veins, including a now 5-2 liberal majority in the Wisconsin Supreme Court and the biggest special election overperformance in at least a decade (MTG’s old seat). GOP is bleeding out among Hispanics.
The WH is a glorified elder care home
by KGB, Belly o. the Beast, Tuesday, April 07, 2026, 08:26 (51 days ago) @ Bryan (IrishCavan)
edited by KGB, Tuesday, April 07, 2026, 08:29
with a bed count of one. In a vast majority of cases like this, the patient in question would be denied access to sharp objects and only very limited and staff-monitored phone time.
This has all been legitimate 'mad king'-level nuttery, going back to last January. To say that history will reflect poorly upon America's works during this period is the understatement of the millennium. But, y'know, inflation or what the fuck ever.
He must be removed before it's too late!
by oviedoirish
, Oviedo, Florida, Tuesday, April 07, 2026, 08:26 (51 days ago) @ Bryan (IrishCavan)
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I think we need to ask ourselves...
by domer.mq
, Tuesday, April 07, 2026, 09:44 (51 days ago) @ oviedoirish
What do We The People need to do in order to not be complicit in war crimes done in our name? Further, what do We The People need to do to find a path back towards being something other than a global pariah? And when do We need to do it?
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And you may ask yourself, "Well, how did I get here?" :-)
by oviedoirish
, Oviedo, Florida, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 05:21 (50 days ago) @ domer.mq
I agree with you. That lyric just popped into my head with your subject line.
"You may find yourself living in a shotgun shack . . ."
by omahadomer, Friday, April 10, 2026, 10:21 (48 days ago) @ oviedoirish
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"It's our blood and bones and these whistles and phones against Miller's and Noem's dirty lies."
Yes We Do!
by Joe I
, Tuesday, April 07, 2026, 11:01 (51 days ago) @ domer.mq
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You think JD is stepping up to do that?
by Chris, Raleigh, NC, Tuesday, April 07, 2026, 09:10 (51 days ago) @ oviedoirish
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"F--- everyone who isn't us."
#Team128
That's just genocide
by IrishGuard, Tuesday, April 07, 2026, 08:23 (51 days ago) @ Bryan (IrishCavan)
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TACO
by Jeff (BGS)
, A starter home in suburban Tempe, Tuesday, April 07, 2026, 08:45 (51 days ago) @ IrishGuard
(or at least I hope it is).
I'm sure tomorrow he'll make something up about how Iran has completely caved to 100% to his desires as an excuse for not bombing them.
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replacement efforts need to keep moving forward
by Jay, San Diego, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 06:31 (50 days ago) @ Jeff (BGS)
This whole episode is the worst evidence yet of an unsound mind.
That is total folly. I don't think there are even 3 Cabinet
by BillyGoat
, At Thanksgiving with Joe Bethersontin, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 09:42 (50 days ago) @ Jay
members who would even consider the notion seriously. There's at least a possibility some iteration of his first term Cabinet would do so. But this group is shockingly less ... everything ... than even that rogues gallery.
oh, it's a nonstarter for sure
by Jay, San Diego, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 09:50 (50 days ago) @ BillyGoat
Impeachment wouldn't get past the Senate either.
But just because we averted total war doesn't mean all of this was just hunky dory. His former people like MGT and Tucker are still pushing.
You called it
by IrishGuard, Tuesday, April 07, 2026, 15:49 (51 days ago) @ Jeff (BGS)
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nothing from the Iranians yet
by Jay, San Diego, Tuesday, April 07, 2026, 15:59 (51 days ago) @ IrishGuard
I'm finding this live update feed from Al Jazeera the best source out there right now.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2026/4/7/iran-war-live-trump-warns-of-devastati...
Iran is declaring victory.
by domer.mq
, Tuesday, April 07, 2026, 16:25 (51 days ago) @ Jay
And stating that their 10 point plan, accepted by Trump, includes Iranian control of the Straight.
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If they truly "won" in their minds
by Tim, Chicago, IL, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 06:09 (50 days ago) @ domer.mq
They should be saying out loud how bad of a deal this is and how Trump bested them, while they sneak out the back door.
Screaming that they won the negotiation will just anger the mad king again. Why do that?
The 10-point plan is as far from Iran giving up as possible
by Jeff (BGS)
, A starter home in suburban Tempe, Tuesday, April 07, 2026, 18:40 (51 days ago) @ domer.mq
Per the BBC:
“That plan includes the US withdrawing its military forces from the region, lifting economic sanctions on Iran, paying compensation for war damages and allowing Iran to maintain control over Hormuz. It is hard to imagine that Trump actually agreeing to any of those conditions – a sign that the next two weeks of negotiations could be treacherous.l
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All 10 points
by Jeff (BGS)
, A starter home in suburban Tempe, Tuesday, April 07, 2026, 20:32 (51 days ago) @ Jeff (BGS)
Nothing favorable to the US at all. Sounds like a better deal than Iran had prior to the war, plus compensation for damages.
1. The US must fundamentally commit to guaranteeing non-aggression.
2. Continuation of Iran’s control over the Strait of Hormuz.
3. Acceptance that Iran can enrich uranium for its nuclear program
4. Removal of all primary sanctions on Iran.
5. Removal of all secondary sanctions against foreign entities that do business with Iranian institutions).
6. End of all United Security Council resolutions targeting Iran.
7. End of all International Atomic Energy Agency resolutions on Iran’s nuclear program.
8. Compensation payment to Iran for war damage.
9. Withdrawal of US combat forces from the region.
10. Cease-fire on all fronts, including Israel’s conflict with Hezbollah in Lebanon.
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These 10 points were devised and agreed to by both sides?
by BPH, San Diego, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 08:45 (50 days ago) @ Jeff (BGS)
I know Trump and his minions can lie their way out of anything, but how are they possibly spinning this as a win?
I don't think so
by Jay, San Diego, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 08:46 (50 days ago) @ BPH
Iran put out those 10 points but Trump (and Stephen Cheung, colorfully) refuted any agreement to those specifics last night.
I really believe all they have is this 2-week ceasefire, with everything else still to be worked out.
The absurd part is that Trump explicitly stated last night
by Joe I
, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 08:57 (50 days ago) @ Jay
that he received a 10-point proposal from Iran, to be used as a workable basis for an agreement. I’m sure he’ll try to weasel out of the details over the next 2 weeks, and emphasizing “these were only the basis to begin an agreement” or some stupid fuckery.
Well, it didn't take long for shit to hit the fan.
by Joe I
, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 10:01 (50 days ago) @ Joe I
edited by Joe I, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 10:07
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/08/middle-east-ceasefire-doubt-israel-lebano...
Middle East ceasefire in serious doubt as Israel assaults Lebanon and Iran blocks oil tankers
"Wednesday as both sides gave divergent versions of what had been agreed, Israel intensified its bombing campaign in Lebanon and Iran halted the passage of oil tankers because of an alleged Israeli ceasefire breach."
"Donald Trump conveyed a different version of the agreement in early Wednesday morning social media posts from the one he had suggested as he announced the ceasefire on Tuesday night. In the first version, he referred to Iran’s 10-point proposal as a “workable basis on which to negotiate”, and focused on an agreement to reopen the strait of Hormuz.
The statement caused surprise in Washington as Iran’s 10 points differ widely from US objectives and include a right to enrich uranium, the full lifting of sanctions, the payment of war reparations and a scheme giving Iran and Oman joint control of the Hormuz strait.
On Wednesday morning, Trump implied that the ceasefire was based on an entirely different 15-point proposal from the US, claiming many of the points had “already been agreed to”. "
think there' s a high chance
by Jay, San Diego, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 08:58 (50 days ago) @ Joe I
we're back to droppin' bombs on your moms in 2 weeks.
I would buy puts on SPY just in case.
by San Pedro
, More than 100 feet from Bob Davies, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 09:01 (50 days ago) @ Jay
All of Trump's buddies bought at the bottom yesterday. The amount of money they've made in this boondoogle pump and dump is absurd.
I would bet the over. Meanwhile, Israel will keep bombing
by Joe I
, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 09:01 (50 days ago) @ Jay
Lebanon.
Israel killed 245 people in Lebanon today
by Jay, San Diego, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 12:48 (50 days ago) @ Joe I
Obviously trying to scuttle any deal.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2026/4/8/iran-war-live-trump-announces-truce-te...
Thanks, that makes more sense
by BPH, San Diego, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 08:53 (50 days ago) @ Jay
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So a worse deal than Obama negotiated.
by Bryan (IrishCavan), Howth Castle and Environs, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 05:31 (50 days ago) @ Jeff (BGS)
Good thing we spent billions of dollars and killed all those people.
And radicalized another generation of Iranians
by KGB, Belly o. the Beast, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 06:52 (50 days ago) @ Bryan (IrishCavan)
who appeared fully prepared not long ago to demand better and more humane leadership at home.
And destroyed alliances.
by Bryan (IrishCavan), Howth Castle and Environs, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 06:55 (50 days ago) @ KGB
edited by Bryan (IrishCavan), Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 07:01
Someone on bsky posited that, yes, a civilization did die yesterday -- the United States'.
He's been killing those for a decade now.
by KGB, Belly o. the Beast, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 07:13 (50 days ago) @ Bryan (IrishCavan)
And any nation who can't be trusted not to elect someone who is openly hostile towards those alliances probably shouldn't be relied on going forward.
But, y'know, inflation and putting a black woman in charge. Bridge too far.
This, far more than anything else.
by Joe I
, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 07:00 (50 days ago) @ Bryan (IrishCavan)
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An overwhelming geopolitical victory for Iran on these terms
by suave_andrew, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 04:24 (50 days ago) @ Jeff (BGS)
In asymmetrical warfare they just needed to survive to win. Not only did they do that, they will emerge with more control and legitimacy than they had going in, not only inside their country but also globally with their new ability to control the strait of Hormuz and use it for influence globally. Not only that, they showed that the U.S. is not prepared for war in this century which is a shear numbers game with cheap drones and missiles. It will take years to rebuild the ammunition that was expended in this war and all we’ve done is set back our military capabilities a decade for no gains of any kind politically or economically in complete humiliation.
and those girls are still dead
by Jay, San Diego, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 05:49 (50 days ago) @ suave_andrew
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God only loves fetuses and white children
by terribletr, Thursday, April 09, 2026, 07:01 (49 days ago) @ Jay
What’s complicated about that?
Those girls are almost completely forgotten.
by Grantland, y'allywood, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 06:29 (50 days ago) @ Jay
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Heartbreakingly correct.
by Angel, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 06:39 (50 days ago) @ Grantland
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they weren't protected by Hegseth's god
by Jay, San Diego, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 06:43 (50 days ago) @ Angel
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3miybj6ff622f
Hegseth: "God deserves all the glory. Tens of thousands of sorties, refuelings, and strikes, carried out under the protection of divine providence. A massive effort with miraculous protection."
I do not know why I do this to myself, but I listen to those
by Grantland, y'allywood, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 07:16 (50 days ago) @ Jay
"updates" to see how he will end them. It always sickens me.
Iran will make $2B every ~10 days
by domer.mq
, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 04:15 (50 days ago) @ Jeff (BGS)
Same amount that MAGA screamed about for years after Obama's deal gave them that amount once.
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NYT says Iran accepted after China, Pakistan intervened.
by Savage, Around Ye Olde Colonial College, Tuesday, April 07, 2026, 16:25 (51 days ago) @ Jay
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as an added benefit, our 401Ks will go up
by NDinVA
, Yorktown, VA, Tuesday, April 07, 2026, 09:39 (51 days ago) @ Jeff (BGS)
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This is why I don’t think anything will happen
by Jeff (BGS)
, A starter home in suburban Tempe, Tuesday, April 07, 2026, 15:14 (51 days ago) @ NDinVA
Oil prices are actually down a bit today, and the stock market is flat. If the US were going to bomb the shit out of Iran, Trump insiders would cause oil to jump and stocks to plummet.
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If Trump were actually capable of 4D chess
by atxND, Tuesday, April 07, 2026, 19:43 (51 days ago) @ Jeff (BGS)
He’d tip his insiders that something was going down, watch the markets crash and oil spike and then see how the Iranians responded.
Because if you’re capable of that observation, they sure as shit are too.
But that would take a degree of cunning and calculation he’s incapable of.
He can't play tic tac toe, much less checkers.
by BillyGoat
, At Thanksgiving with Joe Bethersontin, Wednesday, April 08, 2026, 06:58 (50 days ago) @ atxND
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a Hegseth/Pentagon presser this morning was canceled
by Jay, San Diego, Tuesday, April 07, 2026, 08:21 (51 days ago) @ Bryan (IrishCavan)
I guess some shit is going down inside the palace.
Sounds like a Bond villain
by bpeters07
, Sack Lake City, Tuesday, April 07, 2026, 08:20 (51 days ago) @ Bryan (IrishCavan)
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Blofelt
by Busco21, Tuesday, April 07, 2026, 15:17 (51 days ago) @ bpeters07
MeeUp. That's what hundreds call him.
Did you know...
by PMan
, The Banks of the Spokane River, Tuesday, April 07, 2026, 08:10 (51 days ago) @ Bryan (IrishCavan)
the history of the World is long and complex?