OT: gadget xmas question
by Jay, San Diego, Monday, December 18, 2017, 09:55 (3030 days ago)
I was going to pick up an extra portable Sonos speaker.
1. I see they make one with Alexa built-in. Do I need an Alexa account to access?
2. If you have Alexa, do you like it? Do you use it?
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I got Alexa cheap (i.e. free)
by Jack
, Monday, December 18, 2017, 11:06 (3030 days ago) @ Jay
edited by Jack, Monday, December 18, 2017, 11:13
My brother bought it for my parents, who ended up having no use for it and gave it to me. But it's cheap anyway. You might as well get it.
Now I'm trying to figure out uses for it, since it doesn't hook up to anything electronic in my house.
The only thing I found so far, which is definitely useful, is that it plays Sirius/XM radio so I don't have to use the clunky portable device from Sirius/XM. That alone was worth the (no) investment. Configuring it to do it took maybe 30 seconds.
In light of that, I'm going to check out Sonos on Joe (LBbeachrat)'s suggestion below. Then it would be very very worth it.
Can you do things like order a pizza? Yes - but not from any restaurant. It has to be one hooked up with one of the "skills". So for example, you can order from Pizza Hut and Domino's but apparently not Papa John's.
Of course you can order from Amazon, and I do have an Amazon Prime account, though I haven't tried that yet.
Would love to hear great stuff from other people that they can do with it.
I don't know anything about Alexa, but Sonos is awesome.
by BillyGoat
, At Thanksgiving with Joe Bethersontin, Monday, December 18, 2017, 12:27 (3030 days ago) @ Jack
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Can you elaborate?
by BPH, San Diego, Monday, December 18, 2017, 12:38 (3030 days ago) @ BillyGoat
Which one do you have and what's so great about it?
I'm in the market.
Waiting to add Sonos stuff until it adds AirPlay 2.
by MattG, Monday, December 18, 2017, 12:58 (3030 days ago) @ BPH
edited by MattG, Tuesday, December 19, 2017, 05:36
Sonos allows you to play content from basically any music service (Apple, Spotify, SiriusXM, Amazon Prime, your iTunes library, etc.) from any combination of your selected devices.
You pick the content, the specific devices that you want to start playing that content, and then the respective volumes of each device.
So, you can play one song in the living room and kitchen - they'll be synced perfectly - and another in the upstairs bathroom or whatever.
We had a Memorial day party for my daughter's 3rd bday - the effect of having the same playlist going indoors and outdoors, in perfect sync, was really subtle and cool. It's the kind of thing that used to require a lot of $ and effort.
One other neat Sonos thing - the CONNECT has a line-in function. So if you have a turntable, you can plug it into the back of the Connect, and then play your LPs in multiple rooms.
NOW... Sonos is in a weird spot, because Amazon and Google and Apple are all muscling in on their territory.
Previously, all of these voice-controlled assistants weren't really Sonos competitors, because premium sound was kind of an afterthought on them. That's not the case anymore - new Alexa and Apple devices talk up their advanced sound quality.
So Sonos has decided to to platform agnostic. They FIRST incorporated Alexa into what used to be the PLAY:1. And, given how the devices work with each other, you should be able to control ALL of your Sonos devices (even the non-Alexa ones) by voice if you're within earshot of ANY of your Alexa-powered devices.
That should also be the case after Apple releases the HomePod and Sonos adds Airplay 2 capability -- you *should* be able to say "Hey Siri, play Beggars Banquet on the Sonos in the living room" to the HomePod, and the Sonos *should* respond.
Of course, we'll see if that's the case.
But in the meantime, I'm holding off on buying any Sonos stuff - we're pretty deeply invested in the Apple/HomeKit vertical, and I want to verify that it will all work together later.
I have 3 Sonos Ones...
by BillyGoat
, At Thanksgiving with Joe Bethersontin, Monday, December 18, 2017, 12:52 (3030 days ago) @ BPH
I'm a casual music fan, as opposed to an audiophile, so consider all this in that context.
I just think it's an incredibly user-friendly system. Easy to set up and a very user-friendly interface. Plays very nicely with whatever services you subscribe to (we mostly use Pandora and Prime -- and it might not work on Spotify free). The most complex thing I've done with it so far is set up a NAS drive to store my iTunes library -- to do that, I needed to use Sonos customer support, which they actually provided with a human over the telephone. Also, I completely suck at technology, so when I say something is easy...
In terms of sound quality, it might depend on the space. We have a house from the 1960s, which is basically a rectangle filled with smaller rectangles, so we have fairly small listening spaces. But the Ones sound good loud and are also pretty effective when you turn it way down for dinner background music or something.
I've also heard really great things about the Playbar for TVs, but that one is a lot pricier and we haven't done it yet. Also, our daughter's room is right above our family room, so less is definitely more when it comes to our TV sound.
Same here...how did you get the NAS library working?
by Kyle, Indianapolis, Tuesday, December 19, 2017, 06:28 (3029 days ago) @ BillyGoat
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We've got a Sonos Connect / Connect Amp setup.
by Joe I
, Monday, December 18, 2017, 12:50 (3030 days ago) @ BPH
1) Sonos Connect directly connected to our stereo, which lets us play Sonos through our Family Room stereo.
2) Sonos Connect Amp connected to Klipsch CDT-3650 in-ceiling speakers in our master bathroom.
3) Sonos Connect Amp connected to Bose 251 outdoor speakers in our back yard.
We can enable music through any / all of the speakers at any time. They can be playing either the same or different music simultaneously. All Sonos devices can be activated / managed through their app, so you can turn on/off, change station, and configure everything quite handily.
We have a wake up alarm in the master bathroom to turn on music in the morning. We have SirisXM, itunes, Pandora, and Spotify all configured within Sonos, so you can play music from any source any time you want.
We also happen to have a couple iPad minis on walls around the house for home automation. They're not necessary for us, but important for guests at the house when we're not around.
Really love this setup. Sonos Amps are not cheap, but what a great ecosphere.
it's a bummer the Connect doesn't have multiple outputs
by Jay, San Diego, Monday, December 18, 2017, 13:01 (3030 days ago) @ Joe I
Our house was already wired with speakers in the living room, den, and master bedroom. I have a stereo receiver hooked up to those, and a Connect hooked up to the receiver. I was hoping to be able to use a single Connect to run all three zones but it looks like I can't. Not a huge deal as we really only listen in the living room, and I'm adding the new speaker as a portable option that we can take outside, to the kids' rooms, etc.
I run multiple rooms with Google Home and Chromecast audio.
by Frank, Monday, December 18, 2017, 16:02 (3030 days ago) @ Jay
It all runs off wifi. Each receiver in the house has a Chromecast (approx$). I can play in all rooms or subsets. Picked up 2 add'l Google Home Minis on Cyber Monday. Used to stream Spotify and Google Play Family streaming accounts.
I can control with the Google Home or my phone. Tested it out on on a friend's two Marshall amps with "All Things Must Pass.". It was just this side of live
This is my only complaint about Sonos.
by ReginaldVelJohnson
, Monday, December 18, 2017, 14:34 (3030 days ago) @ Jay
They obviously are trying to maximize the number of devices you buy. And from a technical standpoint it makes no sense as to why a Sonos Connect costs twice as much as a Sonos Play:1. Of course, the stuff works so well that I still buy it.
As to your questions regarding Alexa, I cannot comment on Alexa but I have started using Google Home, which is pretty similar. I thought I wouldn't use it, but the integration with my Nest thermostat and Logitech Harmony remote is pretty cool. If you're already getting another Sonos, probably worth the marginal cost even for the gimmick factor. But it does enable some pretty cool/useful stuff with other home automation technologies if you ever choose to go down that road.
I had the same issue
by San Pedro
, More than 100 feet from Bob Davies, Monday, December 18, 2017, 13:26 (3030 days ago) @ Jay
My patio speakers are basically useless, which is a bummer, because the Wifi out back isn't great, and it's hard to stream music through the BOSE soundlink unless it's already downloaded to my iphone or ipad.
Definitely true, but you can run multiple speaker wire pairs
by Joe I
, Monday, December 18, 2017, 13:23 (3030 days ago) @ Jay
off the same jacks if you're so inclined. They'll be driven by the same station / volume control, but it can help you reduce the number of Connect devices.
Good summary of Sonos 300 and 400 level courses
by BillyGoat
, At Thanksgiving with Joe Bethersontin, Monday, December 18, 2017, 12:53 (3030 days ago) @ Joe I
here.
I think it works really well at all levels of use. I've never heard anybody have it and complain about it.
The other really nice thing about this setup is use of WiFi.
by Joe I
, Monday, December 18, 2017, 12:59 (3030 days ago) @ BillyGoat
The Connect Amp / speaker combinations do not need to be hard wired back to the stereo, each other, or Ethernet. They connect via Wifi to your home network.
The only wiring required is a power source for the Connect Amp and speaker wiring running to the attached speakers. The Connect Amps can be located anywhere in the house where WiFi is accessible, such as a closet.
Couple comments.
by Joe I
, Monday, December 18, 2017, 10:07 (3030 days ago) @ Jay
1) Not sure about being able to use any of the Alexa features without an Amazon account, like jokes, alarms, etc, but connecting it to your already existing Amazon account is easy.
2) My friends have the Sonos One, and I was surprised by the sound quality coming out of the speaker(s). Definitely better than our Echo.
3) We like and use our Echo, but mostly for light music and the occasional kitchen alarm. It's in the same room as our stereo, which has a Sonos Connect attached, so we'll tend to use the stereo when looking for a more extensive playlist or better sound.
I'd say the Sonos One makes a very good combination if you're looking for both Sonos and Alexa.
cool thanks
by Jay, San Diego, Monday, December 18, 2017, 11:00 (3030 days ago) @ Joe I
We’re already on the Apple Music family plan so I didn’t want to pay for another streaming service. But it looks like our Amazon Prime will get us everything we need via Alexa for no extra cost. Cool.
Prime Music which comes with your Amazon Prime account
by Joe I
, Monday, December 18, 2017, 12:39 (3030 days ago) @ Jay
is OK, but not fantastic. There is limited but acceptable music available with the basic Prime Music account. In addition (which you probably knew), you can connect your Sonos to your itunes library, which opens up a bigger world.
Good description
by Jack
, Monday, December 18, 2017, 14:00 (3030 days ago) @ Joe I
edited by Jack, Monday, December 18, 2017, 14:03
For some music, like classical, you can get odd results.
For example (just an illustration, not a real example), you might say "Alexa, play Beethoven's Ninth Symphony", and you do get the Glorious Ninth, but played by the Sioux City Radio Orchestra rather than the Berlin Philharmonic. So you say "Alexa, play Beethoven's Ninth Symphony by the Berlin Philharmonic", and you still get the Sioux City Radio Orchestra.