OT - The fraud that is Steve Bannon

by hobbs, San Diego, CA, Wednesday, November 08, 2017, 08:41 (3066 days ago)
edited by hobbs, Wednesday, November 08, 2017, 08:45

How this guy got a media reputation as a political whisperer is beyond me.

"What does Bannon think", "Bannon at War the GOP establishment", "Bannon has his finger on the pulse of the GOP base", "Bannon offers to campaign with GOP hopefuls".

On Sunday the fraud stated, "Corey Stewart is the reason Gillespie is going to win,” Stephen K. Bannon, the former White House chief strategist and Trump’s campaign czar, said in an interview. “It was the Trump-Stewart talking points that got Gillespie close. It was embracing Trump’s agenda as personified by Corey’s platform. This was not a competitive race four weeks ago. You could have stuck a fork in Gillespie. He’s closed an enthusiasm gap by rallying around the Trump agenda. And I think the big lesson for Tuesday is that, in Gillespie’s case, Trumpism without Trump can show the way forward. If that’s the case, Democrats better be very, very worried."

When the political whisperer offered his insight the race was thought to be tight (within 3pts). Last night the race went to the Democrat by a whopping 9 points.

The "whisperers" reaction via his journal, "(Gillespie was a) Republican swamp thing".

Bannon's so bad that I actually find myself doing something that I thought was impossible. Rooting for that Owl Mitch McConnell. If you're a GOP candidate and you follow that guy you've got rocks in your head.

There is an article in the current Esquire that sort

by Grantland, y'allywood, Thursday, November 09, 2017, 06:26 (3065 days ago) @ hobbs

of addresses this. I can't get it to post.

Steve Bannon hates Bill Kristol and vice versa, but they

by Jack @, Wednesday, November 08, 2017, 10:43 (3066 days ago) @ hobbs
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have one thing in common.

They are simply awful at predicting anything.

Bannon is God's gift to the Democratic Party. He thinks he got Trump elected. No, idiot, Trump got Trump elected and you were along for the ride.

And McConnell is right about the effect Bannon will have in 2018.

Some interesting stories from last night.

by Bryan (IrishCavan), Howth Castle and Environs, Wednesday, November 08, 2017, 10:34 (3066 days ago) @ hobbs
edited by Bryan (IrishCavan), Wednesday, November 08, 2017, 10:43

A Liberian-American progressive became mayor of Helena, MT by defeating the incumbent who supported keeping a Confederate statue in the city....in Montana.

A Sikh became the mayor of Hoboken.

A transgendered woman defeated a VA HOD homophobic incumbent who proposed a bathroom bill limiting transgenders, refused to debate her, and referred to her as "him."

The boyfriend of a newscaster shot on air defeated a VA HOD incumbent who had an A rating from the NRA.

It’s pretty clear what happened....

by bk @, Close enough, Wednesday, November 08, 2017, 17:17 (3065 days ago) @ Bryan (IrishCavan)

The Russians didn’t realize there were important elections in 2017.

There was a blue surge in the suburbs last night

by CK08, Wednesday, November 08, 2017, 10:27 (3066 days ago) @ hobbs
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Nassau County, Westchester County, New Jersey, suburban Seattle, and so many suburban House of Delegates districts in Virginia that Democrats might have stunningly flipped the chamber once all the votes are counted (and certainly went from 35 seats to at least 48 out of 100).

If educated and well-off suburbanites continue to vote Democrat in large numbers, a LOT of US House seats and state legislatures will flip next year. The GOP based a bunch of gerrymandered maps on having reliably red suburban voters. If they don't...things could get ugly for them.

As a VA resident, I'm profoundly relieved right now

by HCE, Wednesday, November 08, 2017, 09:06 (3066 days ago) @ hobbs

Four years ago, Gillespie presented himself as a garden variety, pro-business Republican. His tv spots this year included:

1. Racist fear-mongering about sanctuary cities opening the door to MS-13, complete with a closing shot of Gillespie earnestly chatting with a few white policemen.

2. Ralph Northam as a bad negotiator who made a bad deal with China.

3. Preserving Confederate Monuments because they are "our history"--this ad, bizarrely or inevitably, was the only one to feature a black person in any of its shots.

He may have kept his distance from Trump himself, but Gillespie ran a thoroughly Trumpian campaign. Seeing the Commonwealth reject Trumpism again makes me breath a bit more easily.

Gillespie is from legendary Confederate state New Jersey

by HullieAndMikes, Yelling at Sam Cane, Dunedin, Wednesday, November 08, 2017, 09:26 (3066 days ago) @ HCE

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That's what gets me about Trump

by hobbs, San Diego, CA, Wednesday, November 08, 2017, 09:54 (3066 days ago) @ HullieAndMikes
edited by hobbs, Wednesday, November 08, 2017, 09:58

He was born in Queens, NY. He's never lived south of the Mason-Dixon (FLA, doesn't count as a) Florida isn't the "South", and b) he "summers" there) and yet there he was in Alabama talkin' about "our" heritage and monuments.

I'm like WTF?

Is he saying that if he had been alive during the southern insurrection his sympathies would have laid with the insurrectionists?

I have said this before but Florida is "down North."

by Grantland, y'allywood, Thursday, November 09, 2017, 06:34 (3065 days ago) @ hobbs

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My Uncle Bubba from Pensacola would disagree.

by Albie, Friday, November 10, 2017, 09:16 (3064 days ago) @ Grantland

Boca Raton and most of coastal Florida is a lot different than the rest of the state. I grew up on the beach, but literally five miles inland was as Southern as any place in the Confederacy.

He's a hack and a warmed-over Nazi.

by KGB, Belly o. the Beast, Wednesday, November 08, 2017, 08:55 (3066 days ago) @ hobbs

And his world's-smallest-violin story about how his dad "lost everything" in the wake of the financial crisis should be personally embarrassing to someone with his background as an investment banker.

Related: there's a Nazi teaching at Bannon's alma mater

by HCE, Wednesday, November 08, 2017, 11:51 (3066 days ago) @ KGB

Students protest Virginia Tech instructor in debate over white supremacy
By Susan Svrluga November 5

It was just a few days after Charlottesville erupted in violence. Some 150 miles away, a student at Virginia Tech saw online posts that left her reeling. One began, “I am a white supremacist.”

She alerted other students. And as word spread, so did efforts to force the university to fire a teaching assistant for statements he allegedly posted on social media — including some he says have been misunderstood, and one he denies making. Now, Virginia Tech and Blacksburg police are investigating threats made against the undergraduate who publicized the teaching assistant’s name.

At a time of heightened tensions over white supremacy and free-speech issues on campuses across the country, Virginia Tech has emerged as another flash point.

The debate raises questions about privacy, free speech and the ways that universities function as communities. At issue is whether opinions expressed outside the classroom are protected by the First Amendment, or whether there are views so offensive that schools should not tolerate them.

The debate has roiled the public university’s campus and prompted some alumni to create a petition, now signed by more than 4,300 people, calling on the school’s leadership to take action. “Silence is tacit approval,” they wrote, especially at “a moment in history when racist ideology is an ever-growing threat.”
An anti-fascist group publicized this post written by Mark Daniel Neuhoff, who said he was agreeing with the article’s assertion that if Germany had won the war, communism could have been halted. (New River Against Fascism)

Mark Daniel Neuhoff, the graduate student at the center of the debate, said in an interview he thought the posts were appearing on a private forum, and he insisted that his remarks had been taken out of context, oversimplified and distorted.

His post about white supremacy, he said, was a response to an article considering the appropriate terminology for certain beliefs.

“I’m not violent,” he said. “I’m not hateful.”

But that’s how he has been characterized, he said. “I’m a symbol of Charlottesville — and lynchings . . . and whatever unimaginably horrible thing that people can think of, that’s me right now. Because they want a monster to destroy.”

Neuhoff has been a teaching assistant in introductory writing courses, but said he is choosing not to teach next semester, “because I’m tired of the hateful mob that wants to crucify people.”

The controversy flared shortly before the start of the school year. Tori Coan, a senior from Fairfax studying economics, alerted friends about Neuhoff through a private Facebook campus group page. She also shared images from social media attributed to Neuhoff.

Coan met with administrators to share her concerns, she said, but became frustrated when it seemed nothing was being done.

“I want Mark Neuhoff to be removed from teaching,” Coan said. “I’m having a hard time understanding where the hesitancy to remove that employee would come from.”

Mark Owczarski, a spokesman for Virginia Tech, said he could not discuss specific student conduct or employment issues, and did not respond to questions about Neuhoff, other than to say he had no information about him. But the school spokesman said if people raise concerns at Virginia Tech, “we care deeply about those concerns. We have policies we must follow, we have procedures we must follow. . . . We take that concern, and we thoroughly review it,” and decide what action to take.

In late September, Coan and other student protesters disrupted the “State of the University” speech delivered by Virginia Tech’s president, chanting “No Nazis, No KKK, No fascist USA.”

At about the same time, a group called New River Against Fascism, whose members had been monitoring social media intently after Charlottesville, posted a warning about Neuhoff and images of statements they said he had written on Facebook.

“Who is Mark talking to? Well, his 1,830 Facebook friends,” the anti-fascist group wrote online. “This list is composed of members of the alt-right and white nationalists from around the globe. He is posting his hatred, disguised as speech to members of White Lives Matter, Vanguard America, Traditional Workers Party, neo-Nazis, and European far-right extremists.”

“Our goal is not to target individuals, get them fired,” said Tim Joad, a community member who’s part of New River Against Fascism, a regional group of activists. Rather, he said, they want to confront hateful ideas — not ignore them. They want to take away the platforms for spreading those ideas, such as a teaching position that could convey intellectual authority and credibility even outside the classroom.

To his opponents, Neuhoff’s words are clear.

In his view, he was having private, nuanced conversations about history and other subjects in which no topic was off the table — then some of those posts were cherry-picked to caricature him.

One of the posts from Neuhoff cites an article that declares, “If Hitler had won World War II we’d have a better, more just world today.” The post includes a portrait of Hitler.

Neuhoff said people just seeing that could assume he believes, “I wish Hitler killed all the Jews. I wish Hitler took over the world.” Instead, he said he believes if Hitler had prevailed, the Soviet Union would have been destroyed and the spread of communism could have been stopped.

“I think that every conservative person is concerned with the notion that by 2050, whites are going to be a minority in this country,” he said. “I think the country’s going to be worse off when whites are not the majority.”

Neuhoff graduated from Northern Illinois University in 2013 with a major in English and minor in classical studies, Joe King, a spokesman for that school, confirmed.

Neuhoff was a cryptologic linguist for the U.S. Army from 2013 to 2015, according to Lt. Col. Jennifer R. Johnson, a spokeswoman for the Army.

The circumstances of Neuhoff’s departure from the Army were unclear. “The type of discharge is protected by the Privacy Act, so I am not authorized to release it,” she wrote in an email.

Neuhoff did not answer a question about his service.

At Virginia Tech, soon after her protest at the university president’s speech, Coan found a post on Reddit about herself, full of insults, she said.

On Oct. 2, someone called her, screaming threats and profanities. She answered a few more calls that evening, and heard a person on the other end mumbling or breathing, then cursing at her. Then, her cellphone began ringing persistently.

She also was the target of threats posted to a Facebook account that included a photo of her and her cellphone number. Her name was written with the last name enclosed in triple parentheses, a notation sometimes used to denote Jewish people that the Anti-Defamation League has characterized as an anti-Semitic hate symbol.

And there was a message: “F--- her up. Destroy her.”

Coan got more than 70 calls that night, she said.

“Terrified does not begin to cover the fear and the panic that had begun to set in,” she said.

She went to campus police and city police and then she was out of class all week, she said.

Lt. John Goad of the Blacksburg Police Department confirmed that his agency is working with the Virginia Tech Police Department to investigate the alleged threats, but could not provide details.

Regarding the Facebook threats, Neuhoff said: “I did not write that.”

Coan said she knows some people disagreed with her decision to publicize the social media posts and to protest, saying it was a free-speech issue and that Neuhoff has the right to express his opinions.

Now, Coan is facing her own hearing Monday for a possible violation of the student conduct code, according to Lauren Malhotra, a senior at Virginia Tech, who said Neuhoff complained to the university about Coan’s public statements about him.

Malhotra, a friend of Coan’s, believes it was a retaliatory complaint. “But the university is taking it seriously. . . . A lot of people care about this issue,” Malhotra said, saying she had heard concerns about Neuhoff from alumni, faculty members and students.

Owczarski said he could not confirm the existence of a student conduct hearing because of privacy laws. But he said in general, “When you have two points of view and they don’t coincide and you can’t come to an agreement, that’s where we have our policies and procedures which are very robust, very thorough.”

Timothy Sands, the president of Virginia Tech, issued a statement to the campus Oct. 6 after another protest of Neuhoff by some students, emphasizing the school’s commitment to free speech and respect for others.

“Most speech that promotes ideologies of hate is protected free speech under the First Amendment. As a community, we are all threatened by these ideologies of hate,” he wrote. “Let me state without equivocation that Virginia Tech’s administration and the Board of Visitors find the ideology encompassed by white supremacy, neo-fascism, neo-Nazism and others to be abhorrent and to have no place in modern society.”

A statement on the English Department’s website includes an affirmation of the university’s principles and these ideas:

“The right to speak freely is ensconced in the Constitution of the United States, and we honor its central role in our nation’s culture,” the statement said.

“As scholars of language and literature . . . we believe in the power of language to reach across difference and promote understanding; we also witness its often-corrosive force in civil society. . . . Negotiating free speech in the spirit of inclusivity is the challenge of our time.”

Magda Jean-Louis contributed to this report.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/students-protest-virginia-tech-instructo...

I have no problem seeing this guy get fired.

by Greg, seemingly ranch, Wednesday, November 08, 2017, 13:48 (3066 days ago) @ HCE

But, this troubles me:

The debate raises questions about privacy, free speech and the ways that universities function as communities. At issue is whether opinions expressed outside the classroom are protected by the First Amendment, or whether there are views so offensive that schools should not tolerate them.

Namely, who measures offensiveness -- the school doing the hiring/firing or some outside group? In light of the ND/birth control situation, you can see where I'm going with this. Should a school like ND get to fire somebody who takes a position in their private life that is antithetical to Catholic teaching? Should Baylor get to do the same? Liberty U? Conversely, NYU? Antioch College? Does academic freedom and the ability to live one's private life privately mean anything, or do outside groups get to impose their belief structures on otherwise-private institutions?

I recognize that all of this is irrelevant with respect to Virginia Tech. But as I put it in a since-deleted response to you, the anti-fascism group is really an anti-racism but pro-fascism group. That is, they want a swift, strong, unyielding government response to a person who thinks differently than they do. That's fascism (minus government control of industry). It is tempting when it comes to inveterate racists, but it's fascism nonetheless.

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Complicated questions for a post-tenure era

by HCE, Wednesday, November 08, 2017, 17:55 (3065 days ago) @ Greg

In the old days, that was tenure's function, to protect the controversial research and writings of quality scholars. (Not that this guy had tenure or that his white supremacist bullshit is remotely scholarly, but we can set that aside for the broader issue.) Now that tenure-track positions are vanishing, and tenure itself amounts to precious little, questions like yours have new urgency. My response:

Private schools can and do restrict expression and lifestyle choices all the time. Baylor, for example, requires its faculty to be active members in a Christian church, and a required part of its faculty application process is a written statement of faith. BYU requires its faculty to adhere to its Honor Code, which forbids alcohol, tobacco, and facial hair, among other things.

Should they? I usually don't think so, but that's probably a matter for the college community to decide. I think Liberty is a phony college because their science department teaches Creationism. If they're comfortable with that, and they are, then that's their business. They've chosen to define themselves as an anti-science school, so that's their choice. If ND did the same, however, I would be furious. I don't want ND to be like Liberty, or Baylor, or BYU.

I would want ND to fire a Nazi on the grounds that ND shouldn't accept white supremacy as a valid ideology. If ND found a white supremacist on its faculty or staff, I would expect them to terminate the contract immediately. If they didn't, I would be furious. I would expect the same from my institution if one of my colleagues turned out to be a white supremacist. And while I understand the broader questions about thought and liberty, white supremacy is fundamentally incompatible with the values of any school worth calling a school.

It's also probably worth noting that nothing posted on the internet is private, even if it's posted under an alias.

Great thoughts. Thanks.

by Greg, seemingly ranch, Wednesday, November 08, 2017, 18:03 (3065 days ago) @ HCE

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That's not what fascism is

by HullieAndMikes, Yelling at Sam Cane, Dunedin, Wednesday, November 08, 2017, 15:01 (3066 days ago) @ Greg

This review of the book encapsulates some of what I'm saying

by Greg, seemingly ranch, Wednesday, November 08, 2017, 15:59 (3066 days ago) @ HullieAndMikes

"Fascist" and "fascism" are words that people throw around loosely these days. Many use them as synonyms for "authoritarian," "racist," or "anti-Semitic." In reality, however, "fascist" is a technical term that refers to a rather specific political phenomenon. Using it loosely obscures genuine fascism, making it hard to recognize and fight it.

I.e., not every racist asshole is a fascist.

In "The Anatomy of Fascism," Robert O. Paxton seeks both to identify the key features of fascism and to describe five stages that a fascist movement may pass through. Arguing that fascism cannot easily be located on the traditional left-right political continuum, Paxton argues that its most salient features are: opposition to both the Left and the bourgeoisie; heavy reliance on emotion-filled mass politics; the idea that it represents a chosen nation/race/people; and a willingness to use violence to advance its ends.

That is an interesting group of features and I think actually makes my point. Obviously nobody on the left thinks they are the chosen race or is opposed to "the left." But if we are modernizing this into "chosen ideology" that should drive a nation instead of chosen racial identity, I think that there are groups that otherwise meet those characteristics (opposition to the middle class, reliance on emotion-filled political statements, representation of a chosen ideology, and willingness to use violence).

Much of the book is devoted to a discussion of the five stages fascism may pass through, illustrated by copious examples, not only from Nazism and Italian fascism--the only fascist movements that have passed through all five stages--but also from unsuccessful fascist movements in such countries as France, the United Kingdom, Norway, Hungary, and Romania. He also discusses fascist movements outside Europe, including in the United States.

This makes me very interested in the book; going beyond the easy studies is always good.

According to Paxton, the seeds of fascism exist in every developed or semi-developed country, for it is an outgrowth of modernity. Fascism does not have to display the swastika, use the Nazi salute, or be anti-Semitic.(It does, however, always identify one or more internal enemies which are supposedly preventing the chosen nation/race/people from fulfilling their destiny.) Most fascist movements fail; that is, they never achieve political power. History suggests that they come to power in a severe crisis, when asked to join a political coalition that is already in power.

Interesting. Power comes when moderates need them to join a coalition. That really seems worth the read.

I strongly recommend "The Anatomy of Fascism" to anyone who is interested in political science or early twentieth century European history. It is quite readable and should be accessible to a fairly broad audience.:

Very cool stuff. But it seems to me there are two roads to go down as the book ends: simply saying that "fascism is an extreme rightist movement" or saying "fascism consists of certain approaches to rallying support and a certain tolerance for violence, and can come from any point on the political spectrum."

I like the latter road because it seems more modern. But I could see how that would be difficult to work with for scholars, given the paucity of examples.

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The 2007 ND-UCLA game was a once in a lifetime experience, I hope

You need to draw a bright clear line

by HullieAndMikes, Yelling at Sam Cane, Dunedin, Thursday, November 09, 2017, 05:19 (3065 days ago) @ Greg

Between people who may have the whiff of authoritarianism or anti-democracy and those who are actually fascists, because those are big distinctions.

Despite not having the best understanding of free speech or sometimes being violent, your average college activist and antifa member are in no way fascist. There is an underpinning ideology that is dedicated to pluralism ad equality, and it is incredibly dangerous to put them on any trend line that connects to people like Matthew Heimbach, who wanders around wearing shirts praising a Hungarian psychopath who literally hung Jews on meat hooks in a slaughterhouse and leads mobs into bars to get into fights with interracial couples.

One of the foundational parts of fascism are roving bands of people who have the tacit complicity of the government to terrorize communities into silence while pushing for a national culture of voracious territorial gain and ethic cleansing. It is worth considering, at an early stage, how people like Richard Spencer take advantage of the weak points of democracy and exploit our "both sides" tendencies.

There is a reason this plaque exists.

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I can draw that line

by Greg, seemingly ranch, Thursday, November 09, 2017, 08:35 (3065 days ago) @ HullieAndMikes

If the anarchist (not fascist) and other violent protesters can, if the media can, and if academia can.

The problem is, fascism is an unmitigatable evil. And some activist people on the left toss out the term fascist against those on the right they don't like without care for what it actually means. And in doing so without reproach, either they modernize the term such that all those who advocate violence against unlike thought (with active or tacit government support of their advocacy), including themselves, must be fascists or they debase the term to merely "rightists we don't like."

I chose the former, because the latter reduces fascism to near nothingness. But if we want to stick with the longer-standing definition of the term, which is reasonable given what you write, then people who abuse the term need to be called on their abuses.

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That dude is a walking liver spot.

by FunkDoctorSpock, Your Nightmares, B* tches, Wednesday, November 08, 2017, 09:31 (3066 days ago) @ KGB

You can smell the cirrhosis emanating from the guy just by looking at pictures of him. What a turd.

He's from the Harvey Weinstein school of fashion

by Jack @, Wednesday, November 08, 2017, 10:49 (3066 days ago) @ FunkDoctorSpock

That "I'm rich but I want to look like a skid row bum" look.

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