some thoughts

by HumanRobot , Cybertron, Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 19:04 (3997 days ago) @ Jay

* Kelly's right, it's not just athletes that are cheating. Cheating at ND is pervasive throughout the school. Kids do get away with it -- athletes and otherwise. For whatever reason, academia is ill prepared to deal with cheat these days. Perhaps detection is better than ever, perhaps there's more pressure than ever for students to produce high quality work, perhaps students are just lazier and less scrupulous, who knows. The fact is a single honesty incident will take up an inordinate amount of a professor's time and when they have to worry about getting that grant to try to get tenure or giving up already scant time to spend with their family, it's easy to understand that they're very willing to give a student a lecture and a "don't do it again."

* At the same time, though, the two most major cheating incidence that have affected the football team have been quite public. As I understand it, Golson was looking off a girl's test during an exam and she made something of a scene. Likewise the incident for the Frozen Five was pretty wisespread and became public. I know there are members of other teams that get away with cheating and I'm sure members of high profile teams get away with it too.

* Kelly points to a lower academic profile, but honestly a kid with a mid-20s ACT should be able to perform reasonably well at ND, particularly in a less strenuous major. I think a 25 ACT kid can find a course load that they can get through with a 3.0 GPA. The bigger issue is the insane workload athletics puts on a student athlete. I had a tough time keeping up when I was just in the marching band, I can't imagine how hard it would be with the workload of a football player, not to mention the pure physical exhaustion they must be under. The semi-pro approach to college sports is killing the student in student athletes.